Xfire for Mac

[Die[RS]]

Well its not really from xfire but i found this program Macfire its still in alpha stage but hopefully it works correctly.

MacFire.org - Downloads (http://macfire.org/downloads/index.html)

[ar2k[RS]]

congrats on finding this useful program.... challenge 2 for you now:-

FIND A DECENT GAME THAT RUNS IN OSX!!!! hahahaha ;)

[Chemo[RS]]

;31555']congrats on finding this useful program.... challenge 2 for you now:-

FIND A DECENT GAME THAT RUNS IN OSX!!!! hahahaha ;)



LOLZ! Take it to him, Conky! **Conky for the Win!!

[conky[RS]]

;31555']congrats on finding this useful program.... challenge 2 for you now:-

FIND A DECENT GAME THAT RUNS IN OSX!!!! hahahaha ;)

:nw


;31557']LOLZ! Take it to him, Conky! **Conky for the Win!!
:huh

[Die[RS]]

Hahaha with a little digging im sure i can run stuff but over all i love Mac OS X way more then windows xp or vista

[Lurk]

;31555']congrats on finding this useful program.... challenge 2 for you now:-

FIND A DECENT GAME THAT RUNS IN OSX!!!! hahahaha ;)
There's a handful and they run beautifully. Mac laptops tend to have high end specs, not to mention superior design to the PC laptops. Go try a Mac laptop and you'll see what I mean. There's a reason Macs dominate the mobile/laptop market. The future is mobile.

I'm not much of a gamer anymore so I don't even factor gaming into my purchases. Do note however that Macs are very capable of doing so. And though it may not answer your "games running on OS X" criteria, Macs are capable of dual booting Windows. And damn right it even runs Windows much better than the majority of PC hardware.

Yes, price is a factor, Macs do tend to be more expensive. You get what you pay for. As a student, you get the $50-200 discount on top of a free iPod touch ($300 value), and printer ($100 value). Sell that stuff and you very well could have up to $600 in discounts, putting the low end 15" MacBook Pro at $1100.

You should try:
Adium - Download (http://adium.im/) - adium chat client
Adium - Xtras - View Xtra: XBlaze (http://www.adiumxtras.com/index.php?a=xtras&xtra_id=4246) - xfire plugin

I use adium to combine all my chat accounts into one program. I don't use xfire.

[ar2k[RS]]

You summed it up perfectly Lurk, "you pay for what you get". You can pay around the same odds outside macland and you'll get excellent performance too. Macs are popular to most ppl cos "they're pretty" and "they're fashionable" however if you're sensible enough, you can get better performance for your money (maybe not looks but hey, can't have everything lol). For example:-

Macbook Pro
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2.53GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
4GB 1066MHz DDR3 SDRAM - 2x2GB
250GB Serial ATA Drive @ 5400 rpm
SuperDrive 8x (DVD±R DL/DVD±RW/CD-RW)
MacBook Pro 15-inch Glossy Widescreen Display
Gigabit Ethernet
IEEE 802.11 b/g/n
NVIDIA GeForce 9400M graphics processor with 256MB of DDR3 SDRAM shared with main memory
Mini DisplayPort output port with support for DVI, VGA, and dual-link DVI (requires adapters, sold separately)
£1299.00

MSI GT627
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Intel Core 2 Quad Q9000 2.0GHz
4096MB ( 4096MB) 800MHz DDR2 320GB ( 1 x 320GB)
5400RPM Hard Drive
DVD±RW (±R DL) / DVD-RAM / BD-ROM Blu-Ray DVD SuperMulti
15.4in TFT WSXGA+ Colours Gigabit Ethernet IEEE 802.11 b/g/n nVidia GeForce 9800M GS with 1024MB DDR3VRAM
HDMI (High-Definition Multimedia Interface) Output

£1,238.95

So, the only edge the Mac really has over the PC laptop is faster memory. The PC has a better processor, more disk space, better optical drive, better graphics card AND is £60 cheaper than the mac. OK, so the mac has OSX however if you wanted to run that on a PC, with the art of googling and a few tweaks you'll get that puppy running fine on a PC (i had OSX running on a P4 3.0ghz and the only issue was not being able to use the Audigy 2ZS PCI card with it). I'm sure there may be more behind the scenes with these two but on face value, the PC laptop wins the comp.

I admit (and it pains me to say so) there is an appeal to a mac however for compatibility, value for money and more choices it's best to avoid them.

[yout3[RS]]

Time for my once in a blue moon post:

Xblaze for adium, as Lurk said, is probably your best bet for xfire compatibility on Mac. Before I saved up enough money to build myself a gaming rig, I used xblaze on my mac. Hopefully they still support it (I haven't used it in a while). It does a decent job of keeping track of your gaming time and showing you where others are. I'm not sure if it supports joining a game directly from the interface yet, though because I haven't used it in a while.

[BMAsRevenge[RS]]

;31561']Macs are popular to most ppl cos "they're pretty" and "they're fashionable"

Yes this about sums that whole deal up.

If people would stop giving in to the so called "in fashion" shit they could save a lot more.

Mac should have died out a long time when they lost the PC wars. Now they are making a comeback as an overpriced fad. I not saying the mac's pc is junk in fact they may have some quality but what I am saying is logistically they should have died out.

Go back only a few years. Mac was almost finished then the MP3 vers Ipod started. Now ask yourself who lost out here? The consumer or "YOU"! Why simple mp3 was cheap open software and if you went to any store an MP3 player was like $20 while a plain Ipod was $50. Both offered the same quality but IPODs were the "IN" thing so if a kid went to school with a generic MP3 he wasn't "cool". So Mommy had to spend the extra on an IPOD so he would feel cool.

Sure IPODs and I-Phones have all kinds of cool stuff now. Gee with all that extra $30 they got due to kids buying an overpriced MP3 player years ago, you would think an I-Phone would only cost $100 NOT! Try $400 with a two year contract worth about $1200.

For those windows haters, windows owns them now so there laughing all the way to the bank.

[Lurk]

lol Yay, it's one of these threads. :)

It's not only a "fashion" thing, there's much more to it; "fashion" is just an added bonus. There are many niceties on the Mac that makes spending the extra buck all the more worth it. Hell, even moreso if you are a student with the student discount and free ipod/printer.

When it comes to laptops, it's not all about "performance." Did you guys forget this is a mobile platform? I mean hell, if all I wanted was performance, I could have gotten that Alienware laptop for about the same price as my MacBook Pro. Its specs definitely blow my Mac out of the water in terms of gaming performance. It comes at a price - it's godawful heavy and has terrible terrible battery life. We're also looking at a laptop that's significantly less portable than the Mac that is worth about the same price, but hey you're getting 'performance' right? Two inches thick and weighs about 12lb. That's double in both areas. I can't imagine the heat generated by this thing. I know for sure I don't want to be lugging this thing around. Now this is a little exaggerated for other laptops. I know that not all laptops are 2 inches thick and 12 pounds. Actually, most of them are about as thin and as light as the Mac laptops. But PC laptops do generally tend to be slightly heavier and thicker than Macs. Every little bit counts, it's still a difference.

What do you get with a MacBook Pro ranging from $1200-$2500? Seven (7) hours of battery life, 4 to 6 in real life constant usage. What do you get with most PC laptops? 1 to 3 hours of real life usage? (When the battery is a "4 hour" battery) I believe comparing this drastic difference in battery life alone is enough for me to justify spending that little extra buck. Hell, let's take this comparison to an even deeper level and compare other hardware and areas.

Alright, so the PC in your comparison does have a better processor. I wouldn't mind having two extra cores at all, especially on a Mac. But how many applications actually do take advantage of multi core processing, let alone 64 bit processing? I can't really think of so many as it's relatively new technology. It seems like it's barely making the transition from single to multi core applications. Apple's Snow Leopard is a $30 operating system, no new UI, no new features.

What? Did you just say no new UI or features? Yes, zero new features, no new UI. They just rewrote the majority of operating system, meeting exactly what they advertised. A fine tuned Leopard. They've rewritten their core applications in 64 bit and introduced a few new technologies. The big one I'll mention here is "Grand Central Dispatch." This technology allows applications to take advantage of multi core processing by spreading tasks throughout the multiple cores. Also don't forget that applications in 64 bit (most of the operating system) are able to take advantage of vast amounts of memory.

I believe that the two faster cores (vs the four slightly slower cores) in conjunction with the faster ram in the Macs can definitely outperform most PCs with similar or even slightly higher specifications in 'everyday tasks' and maybe even more. Not to mention software that's able to harness the power even at the operating system level. Note that I said 'everyday tasks' here. This is obviously different for other tasks that are more processor intensive, such as converting videos, etc etc.

Now looking at the hard drive space and optical drives in laptops. You can never have too much hard drive space. The jump from 250GB on the Mac to the 320GB on the PC is a definite plus that I wouldn't mind having. I don't believe the 60GB difference, while nice to have, would be the deal breaker between the Mac laptop and the PC laptop. How much space to people actually use? Of all the computers I have looked at or repaired, I -rarely- ever come across one exceeding 100GB of used space. So that settles what I call the 'average' user. So maybe we aren't average users. Since we're breaking down specifications and even going to look at the hard drive space, I doubt we classify as the 'average' user. I personally like to load up my laptop with all my music, documents, and pictures. That's a good 90GB of music, a good couple hundred megs of documents, and about 10GB of pictures. I also like to load up my laptop with applications useless to me, such as Final Cut Studio and Logic studio. I'm constantly downloading, expanding my music and picture library, and so forth and I have yet to fill my 200GB laptop. This is hardly a deal breaker. And if space above 200GB matters all that much, I can put out under $100 and get a 500GB laptop hard drive or $250 for a 1TB laptop hard drive.

As for the optical drive, I believe this is even less of a deal breaker than the hard drive space. It's definitely one of those things that people wouldn't mind having. I mean who wouldn't mind having something better that can even read an entirely different format for the cheaper price? It's nice, but... when was the last time you used a CD? This is an interesting question. Most people don't remember the last time they used a CD. This is why netbooks are becoming increasingly popular. Hell, I wish I could get my MacBook Pro without the optical drive. We're in the world of downloading. Everything you could obtain on disc you could obtain via download. It's actually even faster running a disc image off a hard drive or USB stick than running it off optical media. Alright with that question out of the way... when was the last time you used a blu-ray disc? And how often do you use blu-ray discs? Do you believe having this type of high definition playback is worth having on a laptop? I don't believe so. First of all, blu-ray is an expensive medium. Second... Sure you have the media and reader, but is your hardware capable of making it worth it? You're looking at a 15" screen and laptop speakers. Is it worth spending... say $20 to $30 per movie for it to play on this hardware? Don't even go into considering blu-ray discs as a backup medium. We have external hard drives for that. The PC laptop may be cheaper, but that blu-ray drive sure as hell wasn't free, was it? The money that went into what I believe to be a useless feature could have gone into a different part, such as processor or ram.

Now let's take into consideration all the other niceties and little tidbits in the Mac vs most PCs. The most noticeable one is design. I mean design is definitely a factor. It's just what you see most and it seems like everyone likes to see it as the deal breaker for people buying a Mac over PC. The design is simple, the Mac doesn't have all the useless buttons and features built into the case. Who needs lights everywhere, touch/slide buttons? Finger print readers? The trackpad and keyboard are biggies. On a laptop, chances are you are touching the track pad and keyboard 99% of the time unless you bring a keyboard and mouse with you everywhere. Compare the Mac keyboard and trackpad to everything else, it's immediately apparent that the design and feel of them are aeons ahead. It just feels natural and they're very comfortable. Even die hard PC fanboys I know agree to this about the Mac keyboard and trackpads. Alright so you may be skeptical because I just mentioned the aesthetics.

Let's take some time to analyze the trackpad. It's smooth, it feels natural, not that shitty plastic you get in majority of PC laptops. There are only a few that I have seen with an almost decent trackpad. The trackpad on the Mac is already unmatched by this alone. The trackpad has multi touch. Here's the big feature. What's multi touch? The input is different depending on how many fingers you use to use the trackpad. One finger is used for tracking. You can use two fingers to scroll, pinch and zoom, and even rotate. Three finger swipe as back/forward. Four finger swipe as show desktop or expose. This is one of the features that's a big seller for me. What do you get on most PC laptops? You get the little bars on the sides to scroll. They are uncomfortable to use and even worse on top of an already uncomfortable trackpad.



CONCLUSION - let's do a tiny breakdown for this bit

MacBook Pro
+ Faster Ram
+ Great design - it's aesthetically pleasing, it feels great
+ Multi touch trackpad
+ Greater battery life

PC Laptop
+ Faster Processor
+ More HDD space (60gb in this case)
+ Better Graphics card
+ Better Optical drive

There is about a $100 difference between the two (converted from 60 pounds sterling). Put into this perspective, are the gains/losses worth the $100 or lack thereof? Actually, looking at this way is also more of how and why you are going to be using the laptop. Then again, from a mobile standpoint, it's apparently which is the winner here and that's what we are arguing/looking at. We're looking at and comparing mobile platforms. When it comes to mobile platforms, battery life, portability, and even design are big factors. Not to mention the performance difference between the two isn't all that substantial. With everyday tasks and arguably even some of the more intensive applications, such as gaming or conversion, the difference isn't so noticeable to make it worth taking over the extended battery life and look/feel/usability of the Mac.

So for you TLDR people out there, for a -mobile- platform, would you trade portability and battery life for slightly more performance, hard drive space, and a better optical drive? Chances are these advantages are hardly noticeable unless you're going into intensive applications and even then the difference isn't too great that would boggle your mind. Or let me rephrase that into: Would you justify the $100 savings for say a third of the battery life but slightly better performance and features and tidbits that you may not be using?





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;31563']If people would stop giving in to the so called "in fashion" shit they could save a lot more.
Macs and Apple hardware are a lot more competitively priced now. We just compared a PC laptop and a Mac laptop with a $100 difference. Compare the hard drive based MP3 players such as the Microsoft Zune and Apple's iPod? They're the same price for the same space.


;31563']Go back only a few years. Mac was almost finished then the MP3 vers Ipod started. Now ask yourself who lost out here? The consumer or "YOU"! Why simple mp3 was cheap open software and if you went to any store an MP3 player was like $20 while a plain Ipod was $50. Both offered the same quality but IPODs were the "IN" thing so if a kid went to school with a generic MP3 he wasn't "cool". So Mommy had to spend the extra on an IPOD so he would feel cool.
Again, there's a reason why people buy the iPod over generic mp3 players. Yes the fact that everyone has one is a big influence in this. iPods just work. Look at iTunes/iPod and how the two interact. It's so simple kids can do it. You don't even have to think or work for it to happen. Apple basically owns the portable media player market and there's a good reason why. There are people who dislike or even hate iTunes and iPods, but they obviously make up the minority. As I mentioned earlier, the iPod isn't an overpriced piece of hardware.


;31563']Sure IPODs and I-Phones have all kinds of cool stuff now. Gee with all that extra $30 they got due to kids buying an overpriced MP3 player years ago, you would think an I-Phone would only cost $100 NOT! Try $400 with a two year contract worth about $1200.
Actually, we're talking as low as $99 with a two-year customizable contract here. I agree, the rates are ridiculous and expensive. But this isn't just the iPhone. Look at RIM's BlackBerry, Palm's Pre, or any other smartphone and look at their pricing and data rates. Hell if I can recall correctly, the iPhone plan is actually cheaper than BlackBerry plans and maybe the Pre. I'm talking about equivalent data plans here.


;31563']For those windows haters, windows owns them now so there laughing all the way to the bank.Windows haters? Not once have we bashed Windows here. Hell I don't mind Windows XP or 7 at all. In fact I really like them and encourage everyone to upgrade to XP or 7 if you are a Windows user.

What we're looking at is the hardware of both sides. Think of the MacBook Pro as a PC laptop and look at its features and compare it to others. They're actually very well priced and as I've said in my previous post, superior in terms of it being a mobile platform.

[BMAsRevenge[RS]]

Whatever Lurk, I really don't care you didn't read what I said nor would it matter if you did. I know my generation had fads too as you will look back and see. The one I can say though is the fads we had were not as costly as this "look what I got generation" spends.
Perhaps your too young "i'm not trying to insult it was 10 years ago" but when the mp3 and ipod war first started they were the same quality. That's a fact.

First lesson on economics - The better product seldom wins.

PS: Sure the price is down now but I was with my brother not long ago when he was getting one for his kid who just had to have it.

[Tembel[RS]]

lol lurk, yes it has become one of those threads just like my Ram question thread :P. Oh I don't mean to sound mean with everything I'm about to say so sorry if it comes out that way :).

Now i don't want to go and pick out every little sentence your wrote Lurk but there are a few you mentioned that you just have no proof/support for. One in particular is the feel of the touchpad. I actually know this firsthand because I just went into bestbuy today to help a friend look at laptops and compare them. Many different laptops have different textures and feel to the touchpad which one can choose (unlike a one-type-only touchpad of a mac) which one is best for them.

You also mentioned that portability is a factor and optical drives don't matter. Well like a part in your thread mentioned those new netbooks are your solution for portability and performence. I would also add that a macbook would cost about $1000 for the cheapest notebook excluding taxes where as a new netbook can range (since there are many choices unlike mac) from $250-500.

Another thing I'd like to mention. I just helped my friend purchase a new laptop and the weight is a tiny (barely noticeable) bit heavier then the macbook, has all the features one would need/like: webcam, wireless-n, 250GB HD, 4GB Ram, etc. and costs almost $370 less then the macbook. Also, it has 7 hours of battery life (yes 7 hours of battery life just like your macbook).

One pro you forgot to mention on the PC side is that you have many, many choices to choose from when purchasing a laptop (or desktop). How many choices do you have for macbooks... Oh yah like 6 or so? With the cheapest being maybe $1000 or so unless its refurbished. That in itself if a huge advantage. When I go to buy a car (for example) I don't go to a dealer that only shows ford pickup trucks and thats IT, i go to a dealer that will provide me many different options so I can choose which one is best for me.

The final thing I have to say goes along with my "choosing" part of the post. The beauty of AR's post is that that laptop he gave as a comparison is 1 of the many different laptops you can choose from with PC's. If you want one with better memory there is a laptop out there. If you do need more or less HD space theres one out there. If you want a smaller screen-sized laptop guess what, there is one out. If you want one with tons of battery life, again, theres one out there. Heck if you want one without a optical drive theres one out there.

So all in all, what you say about Macs may be true to some people and it might be good for some people. The biggest flaw in the Mac vs. PC argument that Mac can't argue against is there is simply more choices for PC then there is Mac. What if I don't like the feel of the touchpad and keyboard on a Mac even though to some (like you) it is just perfect. Well I'm SoL. What if I want to only pay $600 again I'm SoL. How about it I want full 1080p support with HDMI input, i'm DEFINITELY SoL. What if I want to play many different types of games im also SoL for the most part. Moving on to desktop argument real quick: what if I want to build a $2500 rig because I know that I will most likely be able to upgrade it in the future well with Apple I'm (more or less) SoL cause I can only upgrade so much.

Sorry for the long-ass post but felt I needed to mention a few things here. And again I really don't mean to come off as a jerk or whatever but its hard to convey what I'm saying just through words over the internet with the right emotions.

[CoolHair[RS]]

No joke, mac's are to much for what you get. years back i use to get them all the time, it was a fad, everyone got the big mac, but there 2$ or somthing. you can totally get 2 double quater pounders or 2 Mc chickens AND get more bang for your buck

[Chemo[RS]]

you forgot the fries....

[Chemo[RS]]

Looking at getting new wireless router. i have a Netgear WGR614, now. But, thinking of going totally wireless.

We have 3 wired desktops, and 2 laptops. The laptops have intergraded wireless, so they are fine. Just trying to figure out what the "best" scenario for the desktops.

and which is better, G or N and wtf is the difference ? I think our router is "G",.. but I'd have to go in the closet and look. *Have the router and modem on top shelf of closet, just to keep clutter off the floor or desks. Just have the damn wires stapled to edge of carpet next to wall.

Anyway, its still a mess. Wires in the attic running all over.

Any ideas,.. please let me know.

[Tembel[RS]]

well you can go with quite a few different scenarios. First if you want N i would advise getting it only if you are going to get wireless N cards for all of your computers going wireless. Second N would be better in terms of distance because it can reach further distances, but remember it is still in Predraft so its not technically official.

I personally have a belkin dir-655 wireless N router back at home which I've heard is one of the best wireless N routers out. It has a usb connected to it so you can install a printer or hardrive straight into it. Now you can also choose to get the upgraded versions of the DIR series which will allow not just the standard 2.4ghz bandwidth but also the 5ghz bandwidth which is a higher frequency so it should have less disruptions.

Now if you reallllly want to get into the firmware and play with a bunch of different settings you can get routers that are able to use this free and (usually better) firmware called DD-WRT. However, the router I have and I believe most of the DIR series are NOT compatible with DD-WRT. What you can do is go to the site and find compatible routers IF you choose to go that route.

Now if you don't want either N or DD-WRT I suggest Linksys wrt54g which is one of the most stable and long lasting routers I've heard had and its one of the most popular to get. You do have the ability to use the DD-WRT firmware on its not necessary.

Any other questions?

[Chemo[RS]]

thats funny that you mention that specific router. i was just reading up on reviews of it. and looking for either usb or pci adapters.

as far as adapters, it's not really important, ? I mean i can see the pci adapters being more "sturdy". meaning, i can see one of the cats getting behind one of the desks, and smacking the usb adapter out playing with it,.., and probably find it under the refrigerator in a month or so.

have to do some price checking ,and another question.

i have an old belkin pci wireless adapter. idk right off hand what model. but, is it that important to keep with in the same "brand" ? like, same brand router, an same brand adapters ?

idk if it really matters or not. was just thinking of one less adapter i would need to buy.

[Tembel[RS]]

well two things. first it does matter what pci card you have because if all your wireless cards are b/g and no N support then you wont be using the full potential of the N network, thus you would get only small improvements from a g-based network using an N-router.

Also it doesn't hurt to keep in the same model/brand because theres usually less problems but I have a linksys pci-N adapter, a dlink pci laptop N adapter, and a belkin N router and they all work fine.

[rickybobby]

Makes are for people who want to be trendy. They look cool and are designed with the form over function aspect.


Macs are pretty much PCs now. They use PC parts and everything. You can price a PC witht he same specs as any mac the the PC will be cheaper. It is well known that macs do not game well or have the compatability that a PC does.

Another arguement that the apple fanboys try to use is that windows is full of virus's and that their macs dont get that so they are superior. WRONG The reason PCs get virus's is because like 98% of the computers out there are PCs running windows. What the hell would you code virus's for if you were a hacker/scripter? If it were me it sure thee hell wouldnt be OS/2.

Once mac gets more popular(if that even happens) you will see virus's for them as well.

Apple is garbage because they are proprietary. You have to use their stuff. Thats how they gat away with raping you. Thats whats great about PCs, there is competition, which in turn makes prices lower and products better. Only the consumer benefits from that.

Save yourself the trouble of becoming one of the im trendy and cool cause i bought a white laptop that way over priced by getting a PC and using Linux.

YouTube - Why mac sucks (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CrQjfgvqJQ)

[Lurk]

@Tembel I like the facts and I'll have to agree that the choices are a clear winner, especially in the sub-$1000 market. I'll have to do a bit more research should I want to formulate a response to your post.

@rickybobby Forgive me if I come out as a dick by this post.


Makes are for people who want to be trendy. They look cool and are designed with the form over function aspect.
First of all, form and aesthetics is hardly something people ignore. I've had a few people looking at similarly priced laptops and going with the one with slightly less power because the "better" alternative is downright ugly or it had a bad feel to it.

The Apple laptops just happen to be trendy. I s'pose that's a thing people can hold against Apple for their laptops. And by form over function do you mean the lack of useless features people don't care about such as lights and buttons all over the place, finger print reader, etc?


Macs are pretty much PCs now. They use PC parts and everything. You can price a PC witht he same specs as any mac the the PC will be cheaper. It is well known that macs do not game well or have the compatability that a PC does.
Yes, that's right. Macs are PC's too. There's a few reasons that Macs are priced the way they are. I'm not going to go into this in detail. But also yes, it's unfortunate that there's a small premium for getting a Mac. Then again there are also premiums in buying other certain brand names too, so it's not like this is an Apple only thing.

Compatibility of a PC? Or do you mean Windows? If anything, it has more compatibility than a PC since it can multi boot Mac OS X, Windows, and Linux. Macs do not game well? My Mac games just fine and if I throw Windows on there it'll game just as well as a PC with the same specs. Myth busted. However, I do prefer my desktop PC for gaming - that doesn't mean my Mac can't game just as well if I wanted it to.


Another arguement that the apple fanboys try to use is that windows is full of virus's and that their macs dont get that so they are superior. WRONG The reason PCs get virus's is because like 98% of the computers out there are PCs running windows. What the hell would you code virus's for if you were a hacker/scripter? If it were me it sure thee hell wouldnt be OS/2.

Once mac gets more popular(if that even happens) you will see virus's for them as well.
Apple fanboys.. hm, I'll ignore the fact you just used that term. Fun fact - Did you know that security in Windows is actually stronger than that on a Mac? They're both (Windows 7 and Snow Leopard) pretty secure systems, hell even Windows Vista is a pretty secure (and stable!) system. I have my reasons for not wanting to run Windows Vista and at this point even Windows XP. I do really like Windows 7. Who uses OS/2 anymore?

Windows does have more viruses because it's more widely used than Mac. We'll start to see more on the Mac as popular increases. They're both secure systems, Windows just happens to have more. This is hardly an arguing point - I don't even recall the last time I was called for a virus problem. As time goes by both operating systems constantly evolve and become more and more secure.


Apple is garbage because they are proprietary. You have to use their stuff. Thats how they gat away with raping you. Thats whats great about PCs, there is competition, which in turn makes prices lower and products better. Only the consumer benefits from that.
There are ups and downs to everything. I'll agree that many things are overpriced. But you don't have to use their stuff; there are compatible alternatives that do work. Here's a few scenarios:
Scenario A: You're trying to use a Wireless N adapter with your HP laptop. You fail to get it working and you call HP support. HP doesn't know how to provide support for that so they refer you to manufacturer of the peripheral.
Scenario B: You're trying to buy a replacement battery, your laptop's web cam is broken, and you get constant BSOD's. The store you bought the laptop at doesn't carry the battery - call order or order online for this. Contact manufacturer for web cam fix, get a pro/expert to fix software problems.
Scenario B(Apple): Take your laptop to the Apple store.


Save yourself the trouble of becoming one of the im trendy and cool cause i bought a white laptop that way over priced by getting a PC and using Linux.
Doesn't this contradict everything you have argued for? Game compatibility and performance isn't as great on Linux as it is on Windows (or even Mac?). Sure there's WINE, but how's the performance on that compare to Windows and Mac? I'm sure not everything works on it either. Mac is a clear winner in OS compatibility. And arguing about OS's and compatibility on OS's is a whole different realm.

[rickybobby]

LOL lurk, i wasnt directing my comments directly at you. Im just adding some gas to the fire :)

stfunoobiz uses ubuntu and we know how much of a gamer he is.