Ram question

[Tembel[RS]]

Here's an interesting question:

Should I bother getting Windows 7 64bit to put 8 gigs of memory or keep it to 4 gigs with a 32bit system?

The reason I ask is because on a 32bit system the maximum memory allowed is 4gb (technically 3.5-3.7). I am looking to upgrade my computer a tiny bit and am debating on getting 8gbs of ram or just 4.

If you want to know the reason for the 32bit 4gb max and the 64bit unlimited amount i'll post why later.

[Lurk]

Install 64 bit. Ram is so cheap nowadays you may aswell get it sooner or later. :)

[toastmonster[RS]]

what about for windows 95, how much ram could i put on mine.

does the 64 bit require a different processor than the 32?

[Tembel[RS]]

For most new processors and even many old you can use 64bit or 32bit with those processors. Now for windows 95 I believe the limit is 1gig or 512mb so more then that would be pointless to add anymore then that.

[toastmonster[RS]]

what about if i reinstalled windows 3.0

[Lurk]

;31352']what about for windows 95, how much ram could i put on mine.

does the 64 bit require a different processor than the 32?
Yes, it requires a 64 bit processor. Post your processor and I can determinte that for you if you'd like.

[toastmonster[RS]]

ok... i don't have the computer hooked up, and i don't know it off hand though.. i'll get back to you later... thanks

[Chemo[RS]]

been thinking of a new system. and it comes down to type of memory. the type of mother board takes DDR3. the mobo will take up to 8 Gigs of ram. depending on what i can afford, i can go 4-sticks of 1 gigs each, or go 4-2 gigs each. or 2- 4 gigs. that doesn't really matter. unless *enter question, i go Dual Channel or just regular, DDR3. I don't understand the difference. Price wise, there is but as far as performance, I take it that Dual Channel is better. *bought in pairs of course. And what's this Tri-Channel stuff nowadays ? Crazy.

i'm going a cheap route, and getting a bit older stuff. sense the Ci7's are way out of my price range, and older AMD could work out fine. still get a quad core AMD for $99. and a mobo that's SLI for just as much or less. SLi cards are cheap and the most expensive part is getting the OS. *probably Vista 64,..maybe XP 64. idk. I'm not a as savvy with downloading things, say as oh,.. Lurk is, :D ,but but going a 64 bit OS.

another question : SLI or Hybrid SLi Which runs better;gives better performance ?



but, anyway,.. any suggestions,.. let me know. thanks. :nw

[rickybobby]

;31384']been thinking of a new system. and it comes down to type of memory. the type of mother board takes DDR3. the mobo will take up to 8 Gigs of ram. depending on what i can afford, i can go 4-sticks of 1 gigs each, or go 4-2 gigs each. or 2- 4 gigs. that doesn't really matter. unless *enter question, i go Dual Channel or just regular, DDR3. I don't understand the difference. Price wise, there is but as far as performance, I take it that Dual Channel is better. *bought in pairs of course. And what's this Tri-Channel stuff nowadays ? Crazy.

i'm going a cheap route, and getting a bit older stuff. sense the Ci7's are way out of my price range, and older AMD could work out fine. still get a quad core AMD for $99. and a mobo that's SLI for just as much or less. SLi cards are cheap and the most expensive part is getting the OS. *probably Vista 64,..maybe XP 64. idk. I'm not a as savvy with downloading things, say as oh,.. Lurk is, :D ,but but going a 64 bit OS.

another question : SLI or Hybrid SLi Which runs better;gives better performance ?



but, anyway,.. any suggestions,.. let me know. thanks. :nw
I told you on my forums. You can get a Core I7 CPU and Motherboard along with Vista that comes with a free upgrade to Windows 7 voucher for like 275.

If your going to build a system then you need to look at Core 2 Duos or Core 2 Quads at least. That 99 dollar AMD runs like a Pentium 4. Thats why it costs that much. If AMD didnt have ATI they would be shut down and bankrupt now. They bought ATI and are selling them cheap cause some of the cards are good. They applied the same to their CPUs except they are dirt cheap and barely worth the gold thats in them.

Hybrid SLI is a energy saver. Regular SLI is higher performance.

[Chemo[RS]]

Why you being racial towards AMD man? Hater! :D

[rickybobby]

;31398']Why you being racial towards AMD man? Hater! :D

The same reason all the hardcore guys switched from AMDs to Core 2 Duo/Quad and Core i7 CPUs.

They are junk.

[Chemo[RS]]

The same reason all the hardcore guys switched from AMDs to Core 2 Duo/Quad and Core i7 CPUs.

They are junk.

LOL!

there just so tempting cause their so cheap! but as ho-ha goes, *CPU speed/quality,.. etc, Intel has the upper hand. Ci7, seems over kill to the modest user. Core 2 Duo is better than what I have now though. :(

[rickybobby]

Intel Core 2 Duo E7400 Processor BX80571E7400 - 2.80GHz, 3MB Cache, 1066MHz FSB, Wolfdale-3M, Dual-Core, Retail, Socket 775 at TigerDirect.com (http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4256897&CatId=2396)

Its only 10 dollars more.

[Chemo[RS]]

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[Tembel[RS]]

You know I was about to come here and argue for the intel but after doing some more research it really depends on a few factors.

A) are you going to overclock
B) Is it mainly a gaming rig or a multitasker
C) Budget

Depending on how you answer A, B, and C the answer will be different.

The most important answer is B. If you answer gaming then I would suggest the Phenom 2 series of CPU's because they are way cheaper and compete with the core 2 duo's evenly and sometimes even better.

Now to sweeten the pot if it is still possible (which I think it is) you can purchase the AMD Phenom 2 x2 550 and apparently there is a way to unlock the 2 other cores on it to make it an x4. For $110 on TD + the recommended motherboard Gigabyte ma790xt-ud4p ($120) you can supposedly unlock the 2 extra cores. Be warned you want to have extremely good ventilation for this (Ask johnny for any help with cooling your PC :P)

The biggest problem I have with this setup is that the mobo is crossfire ready (if you are planning on even putting 2 video cards in there) NOT SLI so you must purchase an ATI video card :/. If you are not going to crossfire then you can always get a single nvidia video card with zero to slight issues.

Now just for the heck of it I "made" a AMD computer with pretty dam good specs and came up to $1100 with shipping from TD now you can still make a great PC for probably half that price using the mobo and CPU I mentioned above. Also depending on the bit version of your OS you might just stick with 4GB of ram. Remember that $1100 is for a full set of computer pieces, if you already got a good enough cause, or power supply, or both, or any combination of items you dont need to buy the price can go down A LOT! (Johnny would probably disagree with a few of my choices but thats why its great to be able to build your own :) Love you Johnny!).

I hope I answered some Questions and uhh probably will keep you updated with different specs of comps.

[Tembel[RS]]

Mind you that the $1100 setup is including a new bluray player and a 10k velociraptor from WD which (if you take both those off your saving about $300+)

[rickybobby]

;31414']You know I was about to come here and argue for the intel but after doing some more research it really depends on a few factors.

A) are you going to overclock
B) Is it mainly a gaming rig or a multitasker
C) Budget

Depending on how you answer A, B, and C the answer will be different.

The most important answer is B. If you answer gaming then I would suggest the Phenom 2 series of CPU's because they are way cheaper and compete with the core 2 duo's evenly and sometimes even better.

Now to sweeten the pot if it is still possible (which I think it is) you can purchase the AMD Phenom 2 x2 550 and apparently there is a way to unlock the 2 other cores on it to make it an x4. For $110 on TD + the recommended motherboard Gigabyte ma790xt-ud4p ($120) you can supposedly unlock the 2 extra cores. Be warned you want to have extremely good ventilation for this (Ask johnny for any help with cooling your PC :P)

The biggest problem I have with this setup is that the mobo is crossfire ready (if you are planning on even putting 2 video cards in there) NOT SLI so you must purchase an ATI video card :/. If you are not going to crossfire then you can always get a single nvidia video card with zero to slight issues.

Now just for the heck of it I "made" a AMD computer with pretty dam good specs and came up to $1100 with shipping from TD now you can still make a great PC for probably half that price using the mobo and CPU I mentioned above. Also depending on the bit version of your OS you might just stick with 4GB of ram. Remember that $1100 is for a full set of computer pieces, if you already got a good enough cause, or power supply, or both, or any combination of items you dont need to buy the price can go down A LOT! (Johnny would probably disagree with a few of my choices but thats why its great to be able to build your own :) Love you Johnny!).

I hope I answered some Questions and uhh probably will keep you updated with different specs of comps.

Intels overclock just as good if not better than AMD CPUs.
Gaming makes no difference. Its more the other way around. Intel is better for higher CPU loading situations.

Im pretty sure its a the Phenom X3 that you can unlock to a X4 but it requires flashing your motherboard BIOS to a firmware not for your board.

clock for clock Intel is Win. The core I7 is basically Intel taking AMDs Hypertransport technology and showing them how its supposed to be done. A ttop of the line Phenom may beat a midrange Core 2 Duo but there is likely 1GHz of speed and some major cache differences barely making AMD the winner.

[BMAsRevenge[RS]]

Ok that's it! Its time for me to toss my 2 cents.


Intel has the better processor and I won't argue that.


All this AMD bad mouthing has got to stop! First off if it wasn't for AMD catching Intel raping there customers with old technology a few years ago. Intel would be still selling you overpriced P4's.

Sure Intel outdoes AMD with the processors but when you look at company size and research AMD blows Intel out the door. So for those that don't need the most high end PC you can build use AMD and support the little guy.

[Tembel[RS]]

im not going to redo my post that i did which for some reason it got deleted so basically what i need to say is:

Between the two intel does not out do AMD by a lot. In fact intel only outdoes AMD but such a small fraction its barely noticeable. Thus if you look at it core to core and price to price AMD is actually better for its value. In fact a gaming rig made by AMD which is almost identical to intel would be almost $300 cheaper. If you want a more in depth (quite unbiased) head to head article heres a great one: Phenom II vs Core i7: Gaming Value Comparison (http://www.pureoverclock.com/review.php?id=794&page=1)

Also if you look at it price to price intel is much more expansive and only provides, maybe, a 5fps improvement in games which results to (at least for Left4dead) almost $26 per frame or for 5 frame improvement a total of $135 more for an intel rig. It is worse for Crysis: Warhead.

Thirdly, it is not true that a high end AMD will outperform a midrange core2duo. Again look at the article.

Finally the AMD Phenom II 550 x2 can actually have 2 or 1 core(s) unlocked to make it a x3 or x4.

[rickybobby]

Compare AMD to intel Core for Core, clock for clock.

[Chemo[RS]]

and I'll quote :


"Since the results for Crysis: Warhead are tied in single GPU configuration, this means you are paying $215 for absolutely no gaming performance increase whatsoever. That is probably very sobering for the Intel fanboys in the house right about now.


Now consider this: for a current difference of $215, you can purchase a second Radeon 4890 to go with a Crossfire setup in a Phenom II system. From a gaming perspective, the Core i7 system simply cannot compete with this." :D



The resaults were close with AMD in every other game leading. Ci7 has Gremlins inside, somehow mico shrunk to pedal those micro hamster wheels, that help in the over clocking area. In short, there cheating. Yes, they are hacking!


The modest gamer,say, a married male,mid 30's, with a family, car payment, cat or dog,with a hot Asian girlfriend who has a fetish for Golden Showers,.. isnt likely going get a Ci7 set up. He simply cant afford it. AMD is a cheesy "cheap" alternative.


In another quote,

"it will cost you $26.88 extra per frame to buy a Core i7 system for gaming.The higher the number above, the worse it is because the more you will be paying for performance increase. What is being shown, for example in Left 4 Dead, is that it will cost you $26.88 extra per frame to buy a Core i7 system for gaming.

So if you get 5 fps higher in Left 4 Dead, that just cost you almost $135. Would you pay $135 for 5 fps?"


Answer: Hellz the fhuk no! :D

[Lurk]

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[Chemo[RS]]

WTF Lurk ?

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" User registration Registrations are closed."

You tease Chemo! :(

*hey, "lend" me your user account hehe

[Tembel[RS]]

LOL Lurk I think you just posted that to brag some more about D/Ling software :P. Its all good cause I do it too. The nice thing is though, my father works for a university so he gets Windows 7 free and a bunch of other stuff like Visio.

[Lurk]

;31431']LOL Lurk I think you just posted that to brag some more about D/Ling software :P. Its all good cause I do it too. The nice thing is though, my father works for a university so he gets Windows 7 free and a bunch of other stuff like Visio.
Not necessarily. When I see or hear about someone purchasing software I cringe a little inside. It's a weird feeling.

[rickybobby]

;31425']and I'll quote :


"Since the results for Crysis: Warhead are tied in single GPU configuration, this means you are paying $215 for absolutely no gaming performance increase whatsoever. That is probably very sobering for the Intel fanboys in the house right about now.


Now consider this: for a current difference of $215, you can purchase a second Radeon 4890 to go with a Crossfire setup in a Phenom II system. From a gaming perspective, the Core i7 system simply cannot compete with this." :D



The resaults were close with AMD in every other game leading. Ci7 has Gremlins inside, somehow mico shrunk to pedal those micro hamster wheels, that help in the over clocking area. In short, there cheating. Yes, they are hacking!


The modest gamer,say, a married male,mid 30's, with a family, car payment, cat or dog,with a hot Asian girlfriend who has a fetish for Golden Showers,.. isnt likely going get a Ci7 set up. He simply cant afford it. AMD is a cheesy "cheap" alternative.


In another quote,

"it will cost you $26.88 extra per frame to buy a Core i7 system for gaming.The higher the number above, the worse it is because the more you will be paying for performance increase. What is being shown, for example in Left 4 Dead, is that it will cost you $26.88 extra per frame to buy a Core i7 system for gaming.

So if you get 5 fps higher in Left 4 Dead, that just cost you almost $135. Would you pay $135 for 5 fps?"


Answer: Hellz the fhuk no! :D

You have any reputable sources for that? Dont post anything with bad graphcs either i want to see raw data. Smells like a pile of bullshit to me.

It doesnt matter to me how you spend your money. You can find shady posts like that online to justify to yourself that Core I7 is a joke and not worth it. I however have built a few of them and have seen and even performed tests myself. Ive told you several times to get a decent Socket 775 system but im honestly done trying to help. You get what you pay for with electronics. Go ahead and get an AMD and enjoy being exactly where youre at now in about a year. Looking for more performance.

[Lurk]

I agree with rickybobby here. You get what you pay for.
There's more to this.. I had a good post stirring up in my mind but I'm too damned sleepy to write it up now lol. :( I'll make it later if I have internet in Las Vegas.

[Lurk]

Ah, seems I can't sleep.. too much is on my damned mind... let's write this post!

You get what you pay for. I strongly agree with this quote. Both processors are great, but there's always that premium you'd have to pay if you want to get the best. I feel that if you can afford it and are given the choice, go for the better one. You'll be more satisfied with the rig. You also won't be bashing yourself later along the lines of "Why oh why didn't I get the better one." You can always get the video card a little later on, but as for the CPU, you're working with two different sockets here. Not to mention, didn't you just elminate the operating system from your cart? That should free up a bit of cash to get the extra performance.

I did some quick research of my own. Well, I'm kinda sleepy so I only looked up one page. I'm only putting performance into consideration here. Judging by a quick glance at the benchmarks, it's pretty safe to say that you'll be getting great performance out of either processor and that there isn't too much of a big difference. However, there still is a difference between the processors with the i7 outperforming the Phenom.

Overclocking: Core i7 Vs. Phenom II : Introduction - Review Tom's Hardware (http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/overclock-phenom-ii,2119.html)
Benchmark Results: Gaming - Review Tom's Hardware : Overclocking: Core i7 Vs. Phenom II (http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/overclock-phenom-ii,2119-8.html)

[Tembel[RS]]

Wow Wow Wow. I think this has gotten a little out of hand.

All i've been saying in this thread is they are both just as good as the other. Intel DOES perform better in overclocking and intel DOES perform slightly better in performance.

Lets look at core to core, clock to clock, price to price real quick.

Core i7 950 3.06ghz, 4 cores, $570
AMD Phenom 2 3.1 ghz, 2 cores (which can be unlocked to 4), $102

or if you want to look at it core for core

Core i7 950 3.06ghz, 4 cores, $570
AMD Phenom 2 3.0 ghz, 4 cores, $170

Now overclocking intel will probably outperform AMD by far, but if you keep it at stock systems and look at it core for core, clock to clock, and price to price just for stock and SAME game performance then AMD is better for the budget gamer which is what we've been talking about.

AGAIN if you are a budget gamer AND you are look for almost the SAME performance, AMD is probably the better bang for you buck.

[Chemo[RS]]

lol,.. i deleted my last thread, cause i was just cranky dis mornin. :)
I get what ya saying T,.. and It's what I feel. wouldn't wanna buy a high priced CPU, when you can get something just as good, for less. *keyword, "just as good" And for super fan boys of either will always pick a side. But, really, it's not a real big. For me *ME,.. if it's just as good, and cheaper, than it's okay. *NOT always true, but again, you get what you pay for. I have and AMD system, I have a few Intel systems. I don't really see any difference in performance in either. But, that's me. I'm not a hard core gamer. What I have is just fine. Maybe upgrade in the furture,.just to keep up with technology. :D.

Either way, good reply Tembel, and Lurk. An Ricky. :nw

** As to your Reply Ricky, as to; "Looking for more performance.". I think that is still to a "each their own" preference. AMD seems to put out just as close fps as the Ci7. Now everyone can actually see the difference in a few fps in ech. But so what. I mean as long as the system that "YOU" have, fits to what "YOU", have and want it for, than "YOU" should be happy. Then upgrade when or if "YOU" want.

*** "YOU" only mean as the person who has this or that set up, not YOU, as in YOU, Rickybobby. :D

[rickybobby]

;31449']Wow Wow Wow. I think this has gotten a little out of hand.

All i've been saying in this thread is they are both just as good as the other. Intel DOES perform better in overclocking and intel DOES perform slightly better in performance.

Lets look at core to core, clock to clock, price to price real quick.

Core i7 950 3.06ghz, 4 cores, $570
AMD Phenom 2 3.1 ghz, 2 cores (which can be unlocked to 4), $102

or if you want to look at it core for core

Core i7 950 3.06ghz, 4 cores, $570
AMD Phenom 2 3.0 ghz, 4 cores, $170

Now overclocking intel will probably outperform AMD by far, but if you keep it at stock systems and look at it core for core, clock to clock, and price to price just for stock and SAME game performance then AMD is better for the budget gamer which is what we've been talking about.

AGAIN if you are a budget gamer AND you are look for almost the SAME performance, AMD is probably the better bang for you buck.

The only core I7 people are buying is the 920. Unless they are rich as hell and like throwing money away. The 920 will overclock to 3.6GHz on stock cooler, you can take it to 3.8 or 4.0 in some cases with a good cooler. If you watercool you can easily attain 4.4GHz with it.
Most I7 overclocking can be done with 1-2 bios changes.

It just makes me LOL. Ive yet to see any real linking to real results of the gain being so marginal.

[Tembel[RS]]

The only core I7 people are buying is the 920. Unless they are rich as hell and like throwing money away. The 920 will overclock to 3.6GHz on stock cooler, you can take it to 3.8 or 4.0 in some cases with a good cooler. If you watercool you can easily attain 4.4GHz with it.
Most I7 overclocking can be done with 1-2 bios changes.

It just makes me LOL. Ive yet to see any real linking to real results of the gain being so marginal.

Ok I probably should of added that most budget gamers do not want to overclock or do not know how to overclock. Also if they do they realize the intel is a better chip to do it on but is still more expensive. But regardless the 920 is about $280 while the AMD Phenom 2 3.0 ghz, 4 cores, $170 which can also be overclocked (if you choose to do that)

As for the link I advice you to go here like I did a few posts prior:

Phenom II vs Core i7: Gaming Value Comparison (http://www.pureoverclock.com/review.php?id=794&page=1)


Hope that clarifies what I've been saying. Again I own an intel because I feel it is the better chip overall if you overclock, which I do. But again, the difference isn't that big.

[Chemo[RS]]

Okay, here's a link to bench mark stats for the upcoming Ci3 cpu.

Clarkdale platform detailed, Core i3 chip benchmarked - TechSpot News (http://www.techspot.com/news/35905-clarkdale-platform-detailed-core-i3-chip-benchmarked.html)


* i didnt read it yet, i just glanced threw it and i will go threw it after I play a few rounds of CSS. :D

[rickybobby]

just about all of those posted are graphic intensive tests. The real way to test CPU is with SuperPi

[Chemo[RS]]

that's nothin like hairpie is it ?:D

[Tembel[RS]]

just about all of those posted are graphic intensive tests. The real way to test CPU is with SuperPi

LOL ok why not use wPrime 2.0 as well? If you look at both Superpi and wPrime 2.0 you see that intel wins with Superpi and AMD (more or less) wins with wPrime 2.0. Again the seconds are not that huge in the difference.

But alright you win if we are JUST using superpi then undoubtedly intel is worth the $300+ you spend to get a better CPU

[rickybobby]

;31465']LOL ok why not use wPrime 2.0 as well? If you look at both Superpi and wPrime 2.0 you see that intel wins with Superpi and AMD (more or less) wins with wPrime 2.0. Again the seconds are not that huge in the difference.

But alright you win if we are JUST using superpi then undoubtedly intel is worth the $300+ you spend to get a better CPU

LOL ok. Im done wasting my time arguing this.

[Chemo[RS]]

LOL ok. Im done wasting my time arguing this.




LOLZ!

It's a never ending battle. AMD vs INTEL. Chevy vs FORD,.. Bud vs Miller,..Red vs Blue,...Canada vs USA *:D,... etc....

To make it simple, to what ever the person can afford and wants, so be it. If you want to spend 300 dollars on a CPU, knock yourself out.

I'll stick with a more cost efficient one/system.

AMD has their high points. As well as INTEL.

AMD for the win with a frugal buyer.
Intel for the win for the rest.


:nw

[BMAsRevenge[RS]]

;31467']LOLZ!

It's a never ending battle. AMD vs INTEL. Chevy vs FORD,.. Bud vs Miller,..Red vs Blue,...Canada vs USA *:D,... etc....


What do you mean never ending?

Chevy vs Ford - Simple Chevy no longer exists so ford wins by default.

Bud vs Miller - look at it this beer vs piss water? Humm I'll go with beer. Bud wins!

Red vs Blue - I like green.

Canada vs USA - Do I have to answer this one?

SEE They all have endings.:D

[Chemo[RS]]

LOLZ! Right on REV!


what's this i just read about the precious Ci7's ?


bit-tech.net | Intel to discontinue Core i7 920 & 940 CPUs (http://www.bit-tech.net/news/hardware/2009/05/28/intel-to-discontinue-core-i7-920-940-cpus/1) :ba

[Lurk]

;31482']LOLZ! Right on REV!


what's this i just read about the precious Ci7's ?


bit-tech.net | Intel to discontinue Core i7 920 & 940 CPUs (http://www.bit-tech.net/news/hardware/2009/05/28/intel-to-discontinue-core-i7-920-940-cpus/1) :ba
Trolling?..

On a different note, would you like download links from public sites? I'll get them for you if you really are serious about downloading it.

[Chemo[RS]]

Trolling ? Uh,,.. okay! sure! :nw

[CoolHair[RS]]

am i suppose to forget that intel made shit for 15+years? Maybe in a few years ill be open to talks like North Korea.

I have an AMD 9950 quad-core 2.6 GHz, takes me about 20 seconds to start the computer and all my games load instantly. why would i pay more? to get better specs when i run some test? Hell i dont even overclock. why would I if everything has a load time of 0?

[Chemo[RS]]

;31492']am i suppose to forget that intel made shit for 15+years?


LOLZ! Coolhair and AMD for the Win! :nw